Is autoimmune disease reversible? With Terry Wahls MD

Dr. Terry Wahls is an Institute for Functional Medicine Certified Practitioner and a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Iowa where she conducts clinical trials.  In 2018 she was awarded the Institute for Functional Medicine’s Linus Pauling Award for her contributions in research, clinical care and patient advocacy. She is also a patient with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis, which confined her to a tilt-recline wheelchair for four years. Dr. Wahls restored her health using a diet and lifestyle program she designed specifically for her brain and now pedals her bike to work each day. She is the author of The Wahls Protocol: A Radical New Way to Treat All Chronic Autoimmune Conditions Using Paleo Principles, Learn more about her MS clinical trials by reaching out to her team: Pick up a copies of her research papers at and a one-page handout for the Wahls™ Diet at

Time Stamps

11:10 Start of the Podcast 

12:25 Terry talks about the microbiome and healthy poop.

15:00 Is fibre required for a healthy microbiome? What makes a healthy microbiome?

17:10 Markers looked for in a healthy microbiome.

21:50 Data sets and developing a processed food index.

26:30 Can a lab test determine a healthy microbiome?

27:50 Terry’s story.

34:20 Are autoimmune diseases treatable? Chronic inflammation and autoimmunity 

36:20 Autoimmunity and plant based diets.

38:30 Autoimmune Paleo and what Terry changed to get better.

46:10 Can you have too much Vitamin A(retinol)?

47:10 Rotterdam study and vitamin k.

50:35 Food quality.

56:00 Terry’s diet.

59:10 Thallium in Kale, plant toxins and antinutrients in leafy greens.

1:00:10 Terry’s ancestral health perspective on diet.

1:02:25 Paul’s perspective.

1:11:30 Blue Zones 

1:17:10 Why nutrition should be taught in medical school.

1:23:10 Diet and lifestyle quality and fertility.

1:24:35 Terry’s other concerns about a carnivore diet. 

1:25:20 Do plants have a benefit in our diet?

1:28:20 Ketosis.

1:33:10 The potential for a carnivore diet controlled clinical trial.

1:34:10 Where to find Terry online.

1:35:00 The most radical thing Terry has done recently.